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Quests, Self-Talk & Health: Glen Lubbert’s Stamina Lab Game of Life | Episode 422

 

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We unpack the “tell the cab driver where to go” strategy, health quests, and the eight magic words that shift self-talk from guilt and shame to possibility and lasting change on this chat with Stamina Lab CEO Glen Lubbert. We discuss how to turn health and well-being into a game you can actually win.

Glen is the co-founder and CEO of Stamina Lab, a health tech company that helps people create lasting well-being—not through willpower, hacks, habits, or fixing themselves—but by building on the inner resources and skills they already have. His company combines solution-focused health coaching, behavior science, and personalized data to improve energy, focus and resilience—without the usual shame or overwhelm.

Rob Alvarez is Head of Engagement Strategy, Europe at The Octalysis Group (TOG), a leading gamification and behavioral design consultancy. A globally recognized gamification strategist and TEDx speaker, he founded and hosts Professor Game, the #1 gamification podcast, and has interviewed hundreds of global experts. He designs evidence-based engagement systems that drive motivation, loyalty, and results, and teaches LEGO® SERIOUS PLAY® and gamification at top institutions including IE Business School, EFMD, and EBS University across Europe, the Americas, and Asia.

 

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Glen Lubbert (00:00)
that cab driver says okay that’s fine but I can’t pull waves from the curve until you tell me where you want to go.

Rob (00:05)
So yes, we will definitely be talking about that strategy of telling the taxi driver where we want to go, right? It makes all the sense in the world and you’ll understand a lot more even at the early stages of the episode, but it’s something we’ll be using all along with Glenn. And as you know, this is Professor Game, the show where we use, you know, help you understand how games, gamification and game thinking help us boost engagement, multiply retention and build stronger communities.

I’m Rob Alvarez. a founder and coach at Professor Game. I’m also the head of engagement strategy in Europe at the Octalysis Group, leading gamification consultancy around the world. And I also teach gamification and game based solutions at IE Business School, EFMD, EBS University, and other places around the world. And before we dive into today’s conversation, if you’re struggling with retention, churn, and engagement in your business and want to turn that around,

We’ve got you covered. can grab our free resources right now. Just go ahead and click on the links in the description. So Engagers, welcome back to another episode of the Professor Game Podcast. And we have Glenn with us today. Glenn, we do need to know, are you prepared to engage?

Glen Lubbert (01:20)
I am ready to engage, yes.

Rob (01:22)
Let’s do this. Glenn Lubert is the co-founder and CEO of Stamina Lab, a health tech company that helps people create lasting wellbeing, not through willpower hacks, habits, or fixing themselves, but by building on the inner resources and skills they already have. His company combines solution-focused health coaching, behavior science, and personalized data to improve energy focus and resilience without the usual shame or overwhelm. ⁓

Is there anything we’re missing from that intro that we should not learn?

Glen Lubbert (01:54)
No, that’s fantastic. That’s fantastic. Yeah, I appreciate that.

Rob (01:58)
I was laughing about the usual shame.

Glen Lubbert (02:01)
Yeah, totally. It’s a big part of behavior change when you’re trying to do something and we just beat ourselves up so much about trying to get to our goals. And I think that’s really why I’m excited for this conversation, Rob, because when you really look at trying to meet your health and wellbeing goals, which we do there as a game, does take away the guilt and shame and brings more joy to the process. And so that’s what I’m excited to talk about.

Rob (02:28)
Let’s do exactly that. Glenn, if we were to follow you around or shadow you or however you want to frame it, what would it look like or feel like? We essentially want to see how being in your shoes could look like in these days.

Glen Lubbert (02:44)
So, you know, right now I’m spending a lot of my time preparing for my run, my first marathon. So that pretty much dictates, dictates a lot of my life. And so most of my mornings are up early running, getting my day started with running or working out in the gym. And then that’s a great, great way to start off the day regardless, but that’s the, then I have to fuel myself for the runs.

So that drives so much eating that I have to do. then obviously recovery from the runs, that’s stretching and sleeping. So that sets up the whole day. And then I run a startup. there’s the work that goes into that. And think the things that connects with those two though is the mornings, it does give me an opportunity to get up, clear my head, get things, start thinking about some of the problems and challenges that I have.

exercising, it gives your brain a different way of working out problems and solving solutions that you want to have it for your day. You’re literally using different parts of your ⁓ neurochemistry. So it’s a great connection to being able to be prepared and show up my best for myself and my team. So that starts off my day and then it could be…

It’s a wild card of things to do because when you’re, anyone who’s run a business knows that there’s different things, different hats you have to wear. so some days, it’s more data insights. Sometimes it’s working with my team. And some days it’s its product development. My days that are my least favorite, but are ones that are so essential are my finance days. And then on some days there are everything in there.

Some days I’m here on podcast talking to you and all your amazing listeners.

Rob (04:44)
Sounds

amazing. So Glenn, we always like to dive straight in after, know, understanding you a little bit better and ask one of the difficult questions, so to speak, and it has to do with failure or a first attempt in learning, right? Especially when it had to do with these, you know, habit building, using the motivational psychology and all these things that we’ve discussed in your intro. You know, something you were trying to do and just didn’t work out, at least in the, you know, first or few attempts. We want to be there with you, feel that.

know, feel the pain, especially if you see some of the lessons that we could potentially learn not to perhaps make at least the same mistake as you did in many ways.

Glen Lubbert (05:22)
Yeah. I think about failure. Our whole philosophy at Stamina Lab is that you are your own lab, you are your own experiment, and you are your own best coach. And so when you have this experimenter’s mindset, there really is no failure, quote unquote, failure. It’s just new information for the next experiment. And I think that really the failure, my failure came from growing into that.

mindset and getting into that mindset where it is about an experiment. I’m changing for a marathon, even like, when you’re yesterday, I went for a long run and I didn’t have enough. You have to eat these goo things that really, they don’t taste fantastic, but you need the fuel when you go these really long miles, there’s no way around it. you know, not, I didn’t have enough on that. And that was actually a really good failure.

because I like, ⁓ okay, this is so important. I could feel that I didn’t have it enough for the last few miles that I actually definitely needed. I’m like, don’t forget that. Make sure you definitely have enough for that. yeah. And then you could, you know, could be even at even more high stakes. think that’s really where the failure is. know, how much of a high, high stakes that were, you spend a lot of time, you spend a lot of time thinking about when you’re running, I think a lot of things and.

the, I back to an early time when I was in high school that I did a race and I really could have done a good job and gone really further in the race, but I mentally shut down ⁓ because I knew I wasn’t going to hit the goal I wanted to get to. so, I mean, if I had just gone just normal, I would have been fine. I would have not hit that goal, but I would have been good enough to keep moving on to the next stage of the

progression and it was a tough lesson to learn. It’s, know, to keep, keep, keep going, even if you’re, you know, you’re not going to hit that, that top, top goal. I don’t know if I answered that question, but.

Rob (07:34)
Two

things that you were saying, you know, one of them is sort of get ready for battle every time you go out, right? Like you have to bring your items or whatever you’re getting into, you know, and in the real world, it’s exactly the same way, right? Like again, video games, card games, in real life, in business life, you know, you have to set your gear straight for whatever it is you’re bringing. And, you know, maybe one of the times it didn’t work, you do it again. And do it again, right? So I completely agree with this sort of fail learn.

Glen Lubbert (07:57)
You from it,

And being kind to yourself, think that underscores our huge philosophy at Stamina Lab, is you have to be kind to yourself because this change is hard. Any endeavor worth trying to do is going to be a bit, is going to be hard. Taking that challenge each higher and higher or to the next level is going to inherently have a failure in it or you’re not pushing. You have to figure out, I didn’t know that I’m to need that.

extra tool or whatever it was in that case, that gel for the running. I didn’t know that, because I went out and pushed the goal a little bit further, I was like, okay. Yeah, you’re going to need that. So not beating myself up because I didn’t know or yeah, just be kind to yourself because every kind of change is inherently challenging because we’re pushing the boundaries.

Rob (08:56)
Yeah. And that connects very well to the other experience you were mentioning of, know, I’m not going to make it to my goal. So I kind of disconnect. there’s, there’s two things there. me, there’s two things. Like one of them is, you know, you set goals and you sometimes achieve them straight up and sometimes not. And sometimes you just achieve them some other ways or you just achieve them later. It’s, you know, it’s just the way it works. And if you have this as a mentality and say, well, look, like this time it didn’t go exactly as I had planned it.

Glen Lubbert (09:04)
Yeah. Tough lesson.

Rob (09:26)
But I want to keep pushing, especially to see what else I can learn. when I’m playing a game, even if I know like, I don’t have enough health, right? I’m not going to make it push through all these things. I still want to go and push as far as I can so I can have better information the next time I do the run, when I have the best stats, right? And I am able to really push through and get through all of that. So having that sort of game mentality there is saying, you know, this is still just another trial run. Let’s see what I can do the next time is, you know, again,

I know I’m not going to get to the final boss. I’m not going to finish the game this time. Going all the way to classics to Mario. Oh, I don’t have enough in the lives really to finish the whole thing in my experience. So I’m going to drop off or you can try and finish as far as you can in that level and see what it’s all about. So when you do have, you know, two, three, eight spare lives, you can actually finish it and get to the next one and have, have more experience. So for me, those are key lessons and I love the stories.

Glen Lubbert (10:19)
And I think that too, it’s how we talk to ourselves is so important. And when we’re engaging in a endeavor and there’s eight magic words we use and you used one of them right there. We eight magic words we use to help change our fixed self-talk where I always do it this way. I always mess up. never, I never can get to that next level.

All the things that you say that are just fixed and that says, I’m not good enough. I suck at this, whatever is things. But there’s eight magic words phrases that we like to use, to share, because it just cracks the door open for possibility. And when you crack the door open for possibility, then your mind gets really creative to figure out how to get to where it wants to go. the ⁓ eight magic words, I used one of them, are right now, so far, not yet,

And at least, and you take that and add that to any sentence that is fixed or is limiting yourself. Like, I always mess things up so far, or I never get to that next level right now, or at least I got this far, or I haven’t figured out how to do, I can’t do this, not yet. I haven’t figured out how to do this. And so those eight magic words.

just crack the door open for possibility and allows your brain the ability to be creative and solve the problem. often, know, when we go to sleep, you know, our brain does amazing things as our back processors are working, our genius lounge is what I call it when you have the default mode network going in there at night. You know, that’s when you solve these game problems and life is game, The having, allowing yourself to say these words to yourself in that self-talk.

cracks the door open for possibilities so creative solutions can come into play.

Rob (12:14)
That sounds very accurate to say the least. So Glenn, of course we talked about difficult times and those quote unquote failures that then led to future success as well. How about this time we talk about the success side of things. Like what does that look like when it actually does work out? You know, these motivational science and behavioral stuff that you do as well with your app and the regular work you guys are doing.

Glen Lubbert (12:39)
Yeah, the one thing that I think is most important to start, we created what’s called Quest on our platform, and that’s been a really successful tool for us to be able to have HealthQuest. And those HealthQuest, they range from, they could be anything from stress management, healthy eating, resilience, procrastination. ⁓

self-talk like we just did, anything where it’s causing stress. And we broke those up into little quests. those are little mini games, little challenges that you want to take. And that’s been really successful. the reason it’s been so successful is because it follows our evidence-based solution-focused approach. This approach has thousands of research studies behind it, 100 meta-analysis over 40-some years that shows lasting change.

works when you apply this approach and it happens with more joy and more hope. It’s based on hope theory, quite honestly. It happens because we don’t go down the root cause analysis of a problem. We don’t beat ourselves up for the guilt and shame of what would go wrong or what went wrong.

And this is why it leads to lasting change. And this is why our clients have so much success for it. When we start a quest, we’re starting off by asking the question, what do you want? What do you want instead? So many times, you have to know where that goal is. We have to know what our goal we want to get. What’s the goal of the game? And if we don’t know specifically what that goal of the game is, then we don’t know how to win the game.

So we like to say you get into a cab and ⁓ the pulls up to the things and you’re like, okay. You get in the cab and the cab says, okay, where do you want to go? And you say, well, I don’t want to go over there because I always get killed. I don’t want to go over there because ⁓ that person stresses me out. That pisses me off. I don’t want to go over there because I had never been good at that. I don’t want to go there. I can never eat well because I

I just don’t, don’t want to go there. ⁓ okay. That cab driver says, okay, that’s fine. But I can’t pull away from the curve until you tell me where you want to go. So, and so everything. just like, you know, that’s why I think games are so amazing. ⁓ and I like them in sports and I like them in, in, in, you know, car games and more games and video games. Games are so great because the, and that’s why you’re running the marathon is so fantastic. Cause the goal is very specific. The run.

the 26.2 miles to the finish line. That just makes everything so clear. And so if we can apply that to life and we apply it to our health, but you apply it to any part of your life, you need to tell the cab driver where you want to go in life. we so much, we see talking to somebody, either beat themselves up or they complain about others because they’re ruminating in this past problem, but because they’re not telling the cab driver where to go, our brain needs a destination.

And so playing a game is great because that’s why they’re so fun and addicting is because it gives us a deaf destination. And that’s what we can apply to our own lives is that that destination, where do we want to go? And that’s where the quests are that we do. do is the quests are, Hey, we’re going to help, you know, with your stress management, ⁓ healthy eating, type of thing, ⁓ procrastination. And so we know exactly where we want to go. And we asked, when we asked when people come start with us, they say,

Okay, well, ⁓ not only where do you want to go, the next question you want to ask yourself, okay, tell the cabaret where to go, but you also have to tell them what difference it’s going to make for you. Because really great game decisions are built on intrinsic motivation. That’s something that’s really clear to the individual that this is so deep inside them.

Yes, I know where I want to go. is story development too. It’s really intrinsic into the person. And so you ask yourself, okay, tell the cab driver where you want to go. then you say, okay, now what difference is that going to make for me? Because that’s what leads to motivation. You get bored with the game, you get bored with your goal, one, if you’re not clear about it, but two, if you’re not clear of why you want to do it.

Running a marathon is a lot of fucking work, sorry. I don’t know if I can swear. But then I have to understand why I’m going to do it and what difference is it going to make for me to do that? And I just gave a little bit of it right now. It gives me structure to the workday and doing the startup. It’s great for that. It’s obviously great for your health. I want a sense of accomplishment. Again, you ask yourself that multiple times what differences are going to make, what differences are going to make. Usually we get to love, enjoy, and happiness that these are going to make for us ourselves.

But really having that clear goal, telling the cab driver where you want to go and really being and understanding what difference is going to make for you. That’s what is made leads to successful lasting change with people who take our quests and with people we work with, our clients we work with.

Rob (18:11)
That sounds amazing. So Glenn, with all that experience, all that data that you have, all those clients that you’ve served, you know, at Stamina Labs, what would you say is the best practice in terms of, you know, behavioral change and, know, basically sort of achieving your goals in many ways? What should people do to at least, you know, improve their chances or, know, do a better job and whatever objectives they might have or how do they set objectives could be a place to get started as well. I don’t know, where would you take us?

Glen Lubbert (18:41)
Yeah, no, I think that we all get the prescription of what we need to do in life. We need to exercise more. We need to eat more whole foods. We need to get a good night’s sleep. We have trouble implementing in our lives is the problem because life gets messy and we’re built with a negativity bias in our brain, which is what we needed to survive in evolution. We had to watch out for danger, whichever, which offer danger. And so we often go back and look at, okay, well, why did I

do this? What was the root cause of why I did this?” You can beat yourself up by that. We don’t even talk about strengths either because strengths are what got you to where you are. What we’re trying to say is what is the capacity that you have that shows that you’re already on the path to change? Obviously, the first thing I said was before, know where you want to go. We have to know what the goal of the game is. We have to know what the goal of the game is and why we really want to do it. But then we have to be detectives.

in our own game. have to be detectives where we’re looking back into our lives. We’re looking at our lives and looking for evidence of where we’re already on the path to change. One of my favorite examples is we talked about someone asked they want to reduce their eating their sugar. We all want to reduce that. It’s something we have too much sugar in our lives. In between sessions, when someone came and said they had they came back and they said, oh, I had a half a pint of ice cream.

they’re beating themselves up for that half a pint of ice cream. The guilt and the shame, they’re ⁓ I broke down. I had the half a pint of ice cream. ⁓ damn. Then traditionally, you would say, well, let’s figure out why you had that half a pint of ice cream. What triggered you to do it? This is where people could go into the habits or ⁓ the traditional approaches of breaking down why you did it and you replace that

with something else. And that’s where people go wrong. And that’s what I really want to emphasize is that we get stuck in that, paralyzed for that. The guy would say, well, if we asked him that, like, well, my ex-wife called and I got in a fight over the kids. And then, you know, I got upset and I was frustrated and I went and got a half a pint of ice cream. So now this person has to tell me this whole story that he didn’t like all over again. Now he’s all upset again.

And then we’ll say, okay, when that happens, next time we’ll replace it with something else. It makes a logical sense, right? Well, ⁓ but we do this and there’s whack-a-mole because who knows what’s going to trigger the person next time to have the half a pint of ice cream. Instead, we say, what kept you from eating the half a pint of ice cream? I don’t need to hold the whole reason. I just need to know what kept you from eating the half a pint of ice cream? Well, I didn’t eat the half a pint of ice cream because of all the things that you’re bringing to bear in that moment that –

is a skill, ⁓ is the capacity that you’re already on the path to change. Okay, maybe ⁓ you didn’t have zero ice cream, but you didn’t have a whole pint. You didn’t have two pints of ice cream. You didn’t have 10 pints of ice cream. There was something you did right there. Now, we have evidence that you’re already on the path to change. In fact, people that are listening to this podcast right now, this is evidence that they’re on the path to change because they’re listening to learn how to learn more about behavioral science and how they can apply that.

So that’s already, that’s evidence there that they’re on the path to change. So that’s what we’re looking for is where am I already on the path to change? It’s not a zero sum game. It’s not a zero sum game in life. There’s clues in your day where you’re already on the path. Understand what your goal is, why you want to get there, and then look for where you’re already doing it, even in the smallest way.

Rob (22:24)
That sounds amazing. Thanks for that massive recommendation, Glenn. I think everybody will find it very, very useful to sort of push themselves forward in many ways. you know, after hearing these questions and understanding a bit more, I know you heard a few episodes as well. Is there somebody that you would be curious to listen to their perspective on this podcast? Featured guests on Professor Gain.

Glen Lubbert (22:49)
Yeah, you know, that’s a great question. There is… I think that honestly, think my most… the person I think would most be find most interesting is ⁓ my partner, Dr. Deborah Teplo. She is really an ⁓ expert in this ⁓ area and she’s ⁓ been a competitive athlete to herself and a PhD musician.

⁓ And the unique way you apply this approach in those realms is really, it’s my mentor and someone I learned from all the time. And she would be, I think, fantastic. Stanford PhD graduate.

Rob (23:39)
Glenn, keeping up with those recommendations, what would you say is a book that you will recommend people listening to this podcast? Something that maybe inspired you or you think that people should read to understand these things better.

Glen Lubbert (23:52)
You know the one book that I really like is called Outlive. It’s a science and art of longevity by Dr. Peter Rettia. He was just recently featured on 60 Minutes. So if you want to just get a 60 Minutes ⁓ clip version of it. you know, really talks about the… He has a great metaphor about ⁓ trying to help yourself with health where the…

Our healthcare system was originally set up to, ⁓ it’s really sick care. And he was in that business and he would just be running around and he had this dream where he kept trying to catch eggs falling from a building. And that’s what he felt like was helping people. Like, okay, I got to catch this person, I got to them before they die. I got to keep that going on. And then in one day he realized, wait a second, what if I go to the top of the building and see who’s throwing the eggs down and stop him?

So, the metaphor is about prevention and what you could do to prevent what he calls the Four Horsemen of Death, is ⁓ diabetes, ⁓ heart disease, ⁓ dementia, and cancer. And diabetes underlines all three of the other ones. So, it’s a fantastic book. really gives you just a clear – you don’t have to – there’s all these supplements and all these other things you read here on podcasts.

I’m getting this much sunlight and all these little things. Those are all like the 1 % dials that you want to do. He goes into just the massive levers you can pull. it’s kind of, if you’re going to play a game, do I want to go and just go get those one little things over there to points or do I want to get the massive ⁓ points over here?

Rob (25:38)
Sounds like an amazing guest. I’ve heard, I think I’ve heard him on another podcast and I’ve heard of him many times. ⁓ It sounds amazing. All the stuff that he’s done and an amazing book to read as well. That’s his latest book. I right? Yeah.

Glen Lubbert (25:53)
Yeah,

his only book he’s written and I really like it because again, it doesn’t try to get you to buy supplements or try to do this, put a stick of butter in your coffee or any of these crazy fringe ideas that they might turn the knob just a little bit. For 98 % of us, all we need to do is let’s we’re…

a super professional athlete, we just need to do some of the basics stuff. And he talks about why it’s so important and how to do it. then that’s why I really like, and it complements what we do too, because again, it gives you the prescription of what you do, but how do we enter it into our lives? Again, he’ll help you give the goal, the direction of the cab, he’ll help you give you a more intrinsic reason what difference is going to make for you in your life. then like I said, Luke, for evidence of where you’re already

on the path of doing it and do more of that.

Rob (26:52)
Absolutely. Amazing. Glennon, we get to the difficult question now. What would you say is your favorite game?

Glen Lubbert (27:01)
Hmm favorite game. Okay, so this one was a good this is a good one You know when I was a kid and I just I just pulled it out. I just found it was my ⁓ my Nintendo Gameboy ⁓ Was my favorite one of my favorite toys and I playing Tetris on that was I don’t know the number of hours that I played that ⁓ And then you know, it’s I just addicted that was it’s just so addicted because you get that immediate feedback loop and you’re solving a puzzle constantly in there

In my later years here, the one I really like, there’s a card game I really like, it’s called the Five Crowns. it’s, basically the wild card changes every hand all the way from the beginning of the card deck all the way through the kings, when the kings go wild, I guess. so I like it for a lot of reasons. I like the pattern recognition that falls into it. And I like the wild card changes. it’s like life, your life change happens every time.

But mostly I like it because it’s something that my mom and my late father loved to play together. I think that’s one of the most important things about ⁓ games is when you can play it with others.

Rob (28:12)
Sounds amazing. You mentioned Tetris. I haven’t played the five crowns, so I’ll look into that for sure. When you mentioned Tetris, I remember that I relatively recently found out that somebody finished Tetris. It sort of got stuck. It’s like it’s the end. know, there’s no more Tetris. My sense was that that was impossible because if you create the algorithm for it to just go faster, there’s sort of no end. But apparently that’s not the way it was built. And there was, you know,

Glen Lubbert (28:27)
too.

Rob (28:40)
Decades later after being launched, there was an end game, final, you know, end of the game, literally where you defeat the final boss and somebody actually made it that far. I’m sure I didn’t make it, you know, more than 5 % of that road, but I admire the passion of this, you know, anonymous, at least for me, gamer who, who managed to defeat Tetris in that very special place.

Glen Lubbert (29:04)
Well, I think before that, I think you alluded to something that I liked really like about games in which that game Tetris and the same idea I thought it had, is how you apply it to your health. The game of health and game of life is that when you you you’ve reached Tetris, which is I did, was the point of the game was to keep trying to play the game to keep it going. And I think that’s really for the game of life and the game of your health. That’s the goal of the game is to just to keep it going. How do I keep it going? How do I keep playing the game?

Rob (29:34)
How do you keep it going? Absolutely. And, and you know, we could keep going for hours Glenn, but it is probably time we start wrapping up. So I don’t know if you have any final words, any final advice, and of course, let us know where we can find out more about stamina labs and the work you guys do.

Glen Lubbert (29:49)
Yeah. Like I said, think the big message here is that you are already on the path to becoming the person you want to be. Be clear about what your goal is, what you’re trying to achieve, tell the cab driver where to go, and understand what difference it’s going to make for you. Finally, be kind to yourself. Like I said, the change is hard and you’re already on the path. Look for that ⁓ evidence. You can find more about ⁓ what we do at Stamina Lab.

dot IO that’s stamina lab dot IO. You can learn more about our, our quest. have links to our social media where we post tons of little clips and videos about, about this approach. So if you don’t want to even sign up for something we have, there’s plenty out there that you can start to learn more about how to ask these, ask better questions to yourself. And that’s really what the heart of solution focus approach is to ask better questions to yourself. If you want to have a free, ⁓ complimented coaching session, you can sign up at stamina lab dot.

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Rob (30:49)
of lot of value packed in there. Thanks a lot for all that. And Glenn, was a pleasure having you on the Professor Game Podcast. However,

Glen Lubbert (30:58)
Yeah, thank you. least.

Rob (31:01)
For now and for today, it is time to say that it’s game over.

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